AI Advocacy

Margaret McGuffin testifies at the House of Commons’ Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage

On Wednesday October 8, Margaret McGuffin (CEO of Music Publishers Canada) testified at the House of Commons’ Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage in Ottawa. She provided testimony as a witness for the study of the effects of technological advances in artificial intelligence on the creative industries. Here are her opening remarks:

Opening remarks to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage

Introduction

Good afternoon, Madam Chair and members of the Committee. My name is Margaret McGuffin, and I am the CEO of Music Publishers Canada. I am here to advocate for the ethical and transparent development of AI models as we all embrace the opportunity of AI.

Music publishers discover and develop Canadian songwriters and have made significant investments in the vast majority of songs and scores that are heard every day on radio, on streaming services, in video games, in film and television productions and on new emerging platforms around the world.

In the music space, AI has the potential to support the valuable work of human creators, which in turn enriches Canadian culture and society. Our members are already leveraging the benefits of this new technology and are using it in the studio and to scale their operations.

Violations of copyrighted materials 

Unfortunately, the music industry has also seen mass theft of copyright-protected songs by AI companies, both on the input side — for the purpose of training AI models — and output side — the development and publication of unlicensed generative AI models. This poses serious risks for Canada’s creators and the companies that invest in them.

Strong copyright ensures that MPC’s members and their songwriters and composers maintain control over their music and receive the fair compensation they deserve. 

When an AI company uses music that has been scraped or captured from the Internet without authorization, it prevents rights holders from controlling and realizing value for the use of their works. The development and commercialization of unlicensed AI model inputs and generative AI outputs are already creating serious market distortions and raising concerns about fair competition.

Global standards 

MPC works with the International Confederation of Music Publishers. A recent Billboard Magazine story highlights evidence collected by ICMP over the past three years showing that many of the world’s biggest tech companies have scraped copyright-protected music — created by millions of songwriters, composers, and artists — to train generative AI systems without permission or licensing. To put it in perspective, nearly every song ever written by a Canadian songwriter has already been scraped and stolen by these AI companies without consent, credit or compensation. Imagine that someone accessed your paycheck without permission and that this behaviour was normalized.

This extensive non-compliance with copyright laws in turn leads to serious negative economic impacts on creators and the companies that invest in them. Copyrighted works (our songs) add value to AI models. To derive fair value for the use of this copyrighted material, the music publishing industry routinely grants licences to technology companies. AI developers should be no different. The emerging market for licensing music to AI developers should be encouraged, including by requiring AI companies to disclose and maintain records of all their training data.

Conclusion 

In conclusion, MPC believes that the Canadian government must reject any calls for watering down a copyright system with a Text and Data Mining copyright exception. Music rights holders must be able to control, and realize value for, the use of their songs as AI training material, in accordance with current Canadian copyright law.

It is imperative that Canada approach generative AI in a manner that respects creators and incentivizes human expression. This will benefit not just creators, but Canadians as a whole. I look forward to answering any of your questions.

An interview with Ed Newton-Rex

Ed Newton-Rex is CEO of Fairly Trained, a non-profit he founded in 2024 that certifies generative AI companies for fairer training data practices. On May 15 2025, Lucy van Oldenbarneveld interviewed Ed Newton-Rex who provided his thoughts on AI and copyright.

Ed Newton-Rex understands the value of human creativity and wants to make sure AI companies stop scraping the internet for free and fairly compensate creators (and those who invest in them) for using their work in designing and training generative AI models. 

It is imperative that AI companies respect Canada’s legally-established copyright protections and enter into licensing agreements that respect the rights of copyright holders.  Canada’s music publishers  also  expect Canada’s AI framework to respect Canadian IP.

During the interview, Newton-Rex told host Lucy van Oldenbarneveld that ultimately, generative AI models need three key resources: people, software engineers to build the models; they need GPUs on which to run the training process, chips, servers; and they need training data, which is people's life work. AI companies spend millions of dollars per software engineer, spend up to a billion dollars per model they create, but at the moment, lots of them in different countries demand access to that third resource — training data, people's life work — for free.

Newton-Rex is a former executive at Stability AI, where he resigned following the company’s admission that they were using copyrighted material without permission. This is a fundamental problem, he said, because not only are creators not being paid for their work but they are often not even asked for permission. On top of this, the generative AI model is openly competing with the human creators that are training them, which could lead to significant job losses.

Some other key takeaways:

Current practices are unethical and illegal: Many AI companies are using copyrighted content without consent, often through large-scale web scraping. 

Disclosure and licensing agreements are essential solutions: He advocates for disclosure of what data models are trained on, and licensing of that data from rights holders. Without disclosure, creators and creative industry businesses do not know if their works were used; without licensing, they can’t be compensated. 

Generative AI can be a valuable tool for creators and music publishers, but its development must be grounded in permission and fair compensation: As Newton-Rex explains,“None of this would work without the creators themselves,” and AI companies—not individual users—should be held accountable for exploiting creative work. He encourages the use of “fairly trained models” that license all their training data, not just selectively, and wants to see existing laws upheld to ensure creators are paid when their work is used in AI training.

Growth of AI for all Canadians

Theo Argitis spoke with ICMP director general John Phelan in Ottawa on June 6, 2024. Watch the full conversation below.

AI Resources

  • Means & Ways: Canada should resist efforts to exempt AI companies from copyright legislation, global expert says

    June 2024

  • MPC Submission to the Government of Canada's Consultation on Copyright in the Age of Generative Artificial Intelligence

    December 2023

Statement on AI Training

“The unlicensed use of creative works for training generative AI is a major, unjust threat to the livelihoods of the people behind those works, and must not be permitted.”

- 10,000+ authors, musicians, actors, artists, photographers, and other creators

On October 22, 2024, MPC signed the Statement on AI training, an open letter from thousands of authors, musicians, artists, actors, and other creators around the world. Training generative AI on people’s work without permission must not be allowed. Please sign the letter below.

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